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nice one dumbledork! i also pity the fool. I give this post a big thumbs up because it is the best blog post i have ever read. mtfbwu <3
Really? I thought the primate porn post was better. Guess I don't have my finger on the pulse.
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Now that's what I like to hear.
What? Where is Hotrod and his pointing finger of accusation and his petty cries of Elitist?
Oh he's over on his own Vox doing that.
Or he's off crying in his tea. Seems like all the <strike>Pod</strike> Potter People are crying this week.
I envy you have read at least one of the Potter books and being able to say, "Meh." I didn't even do that, read one, so all I get is everyone either telling me that I am a snob or that I simply must read them because they are the best thing to ever happen to books.
There are plenty of books I haven't read b/c the subject doesn't interest me. So I got no problem with you not having an interest in reading Potter. I probably read the first one mainly to see what all the fuss was about.

I can totally see why kids would love these books, and will hand it to Rowling for keeping book-reading alive in video-dominated culture. The setting is imaginative to say the least.

However, at the end of the day it's a long, drawn-out tale of good verses evil that's simplistic at its core. I find the characters to be fairly one-dimensional archetypes with 'totally-saw-it-coming' twists in their personalities. There's a lot of fuss in the current movie about Harry's teen angst. Find a me a teenager that didn't have angst. Hell, I had enough angst for several kids. I don't really care what happens to the characters, so there ya go.

I also think she takes all the mystical creatures and beasts too far. I think it would have been more sophisticated to build on existing mythological characters than devise whole new ones.

Which brings me to all the made up words. They irk me. It goes beyond cute into full-blown annoying, especially when she renames things that have words.

I mean c'mon. They're clearly all English and have a English-based governing system. Their government offices are in London. They even refer to getting in touch with the "muggle prime minister" in the current movie (which I did see, btw) so pretending that they all go away to a "whole other world" tires me out.

Seriously, I'd sooner read a series of books about Charmed.
Oh and the whole idea that Voldemort could be vanquished by an infant and then be afraid of a boy is simply the type of story that only a kid could get into. I mean, I loved me some kid hero stories growing up, but I'm not a kid anymore so I uhm, don't buy the whole "kids saving the day" plot lines anymore.

My best friend in high school lent me The Goblet of Fire, telling me I HAD to read the book. So I read it, and concluded: it's a fantasy book for children. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. What I have a problem with is the so-called pedestal to which fanatics place the series on above all other young adult/children's books.

I guess I can say it's akin to Star Wars, which I like, but not in a fanatical sense. At the same time, I have no problem with Star Wars bashers, even if their arguments are as hollow as: "I don't like science-fiction." That's perfectly fine.

Shows me for not caring enough to even get the title right. Replace Goblet of Fire with Sorcerer's Stone.
Not liking sci-fi is not okay. It's elitist snobbery. Or so the sci-fi lovers would say. Meh. I've never even seen any of the Star Wars movies (or Harry Potter movies) and my life doesn't seem to be lacking because of it.
Some people - some elitists - never tire of being wrong.

It is fascinating, though, to read a dissection of what's wrong with the Potter books by a bunch of people - a bunch of elitists - who haven't read them.
Except I have read the first book.
And I didn't say there was anything wrong with them because I haven't read them.
Seriously. Keep it up, you three. Uninformed opinions are the best opinions. I could read this shit all day.
I only see two people, who have tried the Harry Potter books offering opinions. Must one really read all of the books to offer up an opinion?
Seriously, if the first book wasn't so lame I might have read the others. But it wasn't, so I don't.
Congratulations. That statement might be the dumbest thing I've ever read. You just took the title from Crunchy.
A'ight it only took 3 posts before you resorted to ad hominem attacks. Of course the first two were also based on ignoring the stated facts. Oh well.
I didn't ignore stated facts. And if you wouldn't offer stupid opinions, I wouldn't call you out on them.
Can we just be clear on one thing-- are all opinions contrary to Hotrod's stupid? Is that how this works?
Yes, I think so.
I think the Harry Potter books are victims of their own success, at least among a certain subset of people who can't bear to be seen consuming the same cultural pablum as the great unwashed masses (not that I'm naming names COUGHakaiCOUGHjodiandCOUGHcappyCOUGH).

They certainly aren't great novels, but neither are they poorly written. Dan Brown novels are poorly written. Harry Potter novels are kid lit -- very good kid lit -- but kid lit nonetheless. One doesn't go into the reading experience expecting linguistic pyrotechnics. I loved James and the Giant Peach when I was growing up, and I'd probably enjoy a rereading of it today, but I wouldn't mistake it for James Joyce.

I'm not even remotely troubled by the millions of readers who have never picked up a Harry Potter novel, but what I do find curious are the reactionary legions who seem to feel the need to make an affirmative choice NOT to read them. The sad reality of being a literate adult is that you will certainly die before you get an opportunity to read even a fraction of the worthwhile books that are available. I may never get around to reading War and Peace, but I'm also not going to blog about how I'm NOT going to read it because of all the annoying Tolstoy fanboys out there.
First: I only blogged about it b/c Hotrod told people who don't like the books to piss off, which as anyone knows, is a call to arms.

Second: It's a bit more than annoying when you tell people you haven't read the HP books, they treat you like you're from Mars.

Third: I agreed that it's a good kids book. It's the adults that gush over them that are a bit disturbing. Grown people dressing up to go buy a kid's book is more than a bit strange.
Nobody's talking about dressing up, here. I never suggested anything other than reading.

I agreed that it's a good kids book.

That's the conceit here: that what is suitable entertainment for children is unsuitable for adults, and that millions of adults who enjoy well-written childrens' books are wasting their time, and that you are somehow superior for resisting the urge of popular culture.

Sorry - that IS an elitist stance.

That's the conceit here: that what is suitable entertainment for children is unsuitable for adults, and that millions of adults who enjoy well-written childrens' books are wasting their time, and that you are somehow superior for resisting the urge of popular culture.

See, that's just your hyperdefensiveness coming out because you feel the need to justify your love of Harry Potter.

Akaijen never said people who spend their time reading Harry Potter books were wasting their time.

Maybe if you were more secure in your literary choices, you wouldn't feel the need to flame out everyone who chooses to disagree about the greatness of those choices.
And if you were more secure with yourself, you wouldn't feel threatened by the thought that you might enjoy a novel written for children.

As I mentioned before, Potter-maniacs are the Beatle-maniacs of literature. Seriously, what's all the fuss about? It's a mediocre book for young adults. And I don't have a problem with older generations enjoying a kid-lit book. But the way these people jizz themselves over Harry Fucking Potter is disturbing. Right on, Akai.

That's the conceit here: that what is suitable entertainment for children is unsuitable for adults, and that millions of adults who enjoy well-written childrens' books are wasting their time, and that you are somehow superior for resisting the urge of popular culture.

Ha! There's plenty of entertainment that children adore that adults find mind-numbing. And besides, I gave two examples on Hotrod's Vox of children's books that I would read again and again. I don't have anything against children's entertainment on the whole.

However, I don't think this book is particularly well-written, certainly enough to warrant me reading a second, third or sixth book in the series. I'm not the only one that feels that way.

If you don't believe that my impression is based purely on the book that I've read, and you continue to insist that I'm taking an elitist viewpoint in an effort to dodge popular opinion, then you are essentially calling me a liar.

You've known me for years and years, and I would like to think that "liar" is not a noun that would come to mind when you consider my traits and qualities. If I say that I don't like something for the precise reasons that I stated above, then as a friend who knows me well, I think that should be enough evidence to prove to you that I have made an informed and personal decision.

I may have a dissenting view point, but it is truthful. I simply did not like the first one enough to continue reading the series. That's it. Yes, I can obviously offer up reasons why I didn't like them, which I concede may annoy you, especially if you are fond of the things I don't like. Still, it's not a personal attack. I do not think anything less of you for reading the entire series.

You told me, and everyone like me, to piss off. Somehow I managed to state my position without resorting to calling you names.

Well alrighty then.
Oh and you also called me stupid, which I'm sure you do not actually believe. So, the statement was only meant to hurt and inflame, and well that's just mean.
I don't think you're a liar. I just think you're not very self-aware. I have known you for years, and I know well how quick you are to dismiss certain things - books, films, music - simply because they happen to resonate with a lot of people. Because popular acceptance somehow negates "credibility."

I have no doubt you found many faults with the book you read, but I also believe you were reading in some part specifically to find fault.
You are looking at Dabysan and yourself in a mirror.

I will admit that I like a limited, particular type of music. But I'm up front about it. I've always said that I'm the most close-minded when it comes to music. I like what I like, but it has nothing to do with popular opinion. How else do you explain that some of my favs are "You Steal My Sunshine" and "Waterfall." I also love just about everything by Madonna and would also bang my head to "Smokin' in the Boys Room." I recently admitted to liking "Hips Don't Lie" and didn't say that Dave and Jodi were stupid for liking the iPod commercial song, Fratelli's or something? I did recently dis that Christina Aguilera song b/c I generally don't like the warbley diva singing, and anyway I think you guys only like it b/c she's hot. Hell, I even like the Chicago sound track. So I gots no problem liking popular music, but our tastes just don't line up too much in that regard. I'm doubting that you'd be into my blippy, bleepy electronica or my Indian-fusion. But it worries me not. Somehow I'm elitist b/c I don't like alt-country. Whatever.

I don't recall ever discussing books with you, and generally I'll read just about anything. I read a lot and quickly, so I'm usually not too discriminating. I didn't read Harry Potter originally to find fault with it. I can't see myself wasting my time that way.

As for movies, I like quite a lot of movies. I had a massive Netflix queue. I'd say I'm easiest on movies, and will watch just about anything within reason. I will watch sappy chic flicks and shoot-em-ups. I like a good horror movie and stupid comedies. I'll watch period films and documentaries. I like old black and whites and animated films. I'd say I'm most open-minded about movies, actually.

You and Dabysan are the ones that argue these things. Not me.

ok im scared of you all. but i will admit that i

Two words: Philip Pullman.

I tried reading the first Harry Potter book twice to see what the big fuss was about and it never caught on with me. I'm not going to waste my time reading something I don't enjoy if the point of reading the book is enjoyment. And I agree with akaijen, the word "muggles" makes me throw up in my mouth a little.

I ended up buying Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy for my 13-year old niece, who, I found out later, also didn't care for the first Harry Potter book, which she begrudgingly finished. She loved the Pullman trilogy, however. You have to love a story where the villainess is named "Ms. Coulter."

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